Beth: Oh. OH! And ANOTHER thing. The whining in Pittsburgh? Want. To smack. Every. ONE. Of them. I HATE it when people who have failed because of their own performance(s) act as though they've been victimized.
Hines Ward? "It just really...it just really hurts, you know?" Sob, sob, blubber, blubber...Hey, pal, put on your big boy pants. You want to whine about not winning?How bout you try not losing next time? Jesus Christ, it's one thing for fans who weren't on the field, they have no control over what happens. But wtf! One of the members of the TEAM boo hooing over the fact that they didn't win? whining about how another guy's retiring? and acting like somehow he's been "victimized" by the fact that he and the rest of his team SUCKED TOO BAD TO WIN, but because the Bus is retiring, somehow this makes it tragic and unjust? I mean...????
Kristen: And yet, the Pats weeping openly at their ring ceremony last year made me all schmoopy. When Rodney Harrison hugs Belichick and says, "Thank you for believing in me when no one else did." and Belichick says, "Man, am I glad we got you." Eep. Likewise, D-Nabb hosting the trophy with tears in his eyes. Something about victory reducing large men to tears makes me all blubbery.
Pretty sad when the biggest man on the field after the game was the rookie.
Mer: Ok, well first of all, I guess it's just different in New England. Here, everyone picked the Pats to win both playoff games, the D word is being tossed around daily, and they are 7 point favorites in the Bowl. If that is disrespect, I want some.
Secondly, I'm sure we're all tired of hearing about Peyton Manning, but come on - the guy set a record. How can you expect the media to not have prattled on and on about it? It was a big deal, and the casual football fan is interested in records and numbers. Most football fans need something tangible like numbers. Tom Brady doesn't have the hot numbers to attract the attention of the casual football fan - only the people who watch him each week realize what he brings to the table. As I mentioned before, the reason he is so good is because he doesn't make mistakes - EVER. He's not the best running QB, he's not the best passing QB. He's just flat out solid in every single aspect of the game. Sometimes it seems like Pats fans don't want to admit that there ARE some categories that Tom Brady isn't at the top of. So yes, casual football fans need records or stats or touchdowns to get excited. Who cares if they don't realize how great Tom Brady is? You have two, maybe 3, Super Bowl championships. Isn't that enough?
Another reason I think the Pats aren't the media darling that the Cowboys of the early 90s were is because of the lack of household names on their team. Michael Irvin, Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith...those are names people know and want to talk about. Tedy Bruschi? Outside of NE, nobody cares about that guy. They know he's good, but he doesn't interest them. With the exception of Tom Brady and Corey Dillon, the same goes for most of the team. That may bother some Pats fans, but personally, I think it's indicative of how good of a TEAM the Pats are. They aren't just one or two star players carrying the team....they are all equally as important. I wish Pats fans could be happy about that instead of complaining about how they aren't given enough attention or respect.
Beth: Okay...so does NE get credit or not? First you're denying they don't,
then you're giving a justification for why Brady doesn't get as much credit as Manning does.
"Sometimes it seems like Pats fans don't want to admit that there ARE some categories that Tom Brady isn't at the top of.
Geez, Mer, got any more generalizations to make about Pats fans? Is this based on SoSH again, or...? We KNOW Brady's not at the top of EVERY category. But we do happen to think he's at the top of quarterbacks, period. What's wrong with that?
"Who cares if they don't realize how great Tom Brady is? You have two, maybe 3, Super Bowl championships. Isn't that enough?
Right. Which is why I said:
However, where you have a good point is that there's no good reason for Pats fans to let it really get to them. I try not to, try to just enjoy it for myself and know what I know and let it go and not write too many run on sentences that inadvertently rhyme and make me look like a jackass.
Mer: Here's what I've heard recently. "Peyton Manning is a fantastic record-setting QB who will probably win a SuperBowl one day. The NE Patriots are the best team in the NFL, and have been for a couple of years. If I was going to start a team from scratch, I'd take Brady. You can't argue with his success."
Sure, I'm making generalizations. I base my opinions on Pats fans on all of the Pats fans I know, since most of my friends are Bostonians. Of course I realize that I'm generalizing, but so are you when you say that people don't respect Brady enough or give Belichek enough credit.
With all that damn coding on that last email, I didn't even see that last paragraph.
Kristen: I think it's your ultimate Catch-22. We want people to realize how good the Pats are and how great Brady is because we are so fiercely proud of them and him. We have a very "Hail the conquering hero" attitude about it in that we look at the records and Brady's numbers when it counts and we think, "How could you not get this?" We want to look at the rest of the league and say "You take your first round picks. We're happy with #199."
But on the other hand, we respect the fact that, as you said, no one outside of NE knows who Tedy Bruschi is and they sure as hell haven't heard of Asante Samuel but we don't have to like it. The thing about the Pats is that they are such a TEAM that no one person is above it. As Beth said, I would argue that the most recognizable person on that team is the guy on the sidelines in the gray hoodie. Which is all well and good but sometimes you just want to reach through the TV screen and throttle Michael Irvin (I mean, I want to do that anyway, most times), for saying something about how they're not that great.
The Patriots aren't as sexy as the Cowboys were. And by "sexy" I mean newsworthy for their colorful personalities or flamboyance or what have you because I think we can all agree that the Pats are a damn fine team. But if no one is getting arrested for spousal abuse, no one is being indicted on cocaine possession and no one has been charged with concealing a weapon, then there's no news. The public likes the headlines and after a while "Pats win again" gets boring. I can understand that. But I think that speaks to the cynicism of the national sports consciousness and not to the lack of talent or dominance on the part of the Patriots.
I tried to put myself in the place of most (most, not all, ok?) Pats fans. If, after the Sox won the Series, people started talking about how they got lucky and weren't really the best team, would I have been pissed? Sure, I would have. I would have argued it till I was blue in the face and it would have driven me crazy. Because diehard fans love their team like family, and they don't want anyone criticizing them. I get that. But I also hope that most Pats fans can put themselves in my place. We see fans celebrating 2 Super Bowl wins, possibly 3, and they are complaining about respect. And hell...we'd just all kill for one Bowl win and zero respect. Ya know?
Kristen: Oh yes, girl, I understand. Ask me what I would have given up for Boone's home run to have landed in Johnny Damon's glove.
Beth: Well said, Mer. I think I understand where you're coming from now.
Sam: HOLY FUCKING FUCK MY INBOX.
I assume you guys were at work or something and therefore had computer access but I was in the middle of a 3 hour painting studio, so, uh, no computer. And then I come home, and HOLY CRAP MUCH READING.