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mrbandw

What a ridculous article. The Herald's numbers must be down or something for them to publish this kind of button pushing nonsense in order to bump up sales... stupid. Other than that I have no strong opinions on the subject ;)

pdb

Ah, the Battle of the Bona Fides. It exists in everything - "I saw Nirvana in a 50-person club way before Nevermind blew up", "I read Fever Pitch when it was still a British book about football", etc.

It's all an attempt to establish oneself as Cooler Than Thou, or Hipper Than Thou, and it's all a bunch of crap. If you like something, why does it matter when you started liking it? Doesn't the fact that you like it say enough?

I have a friend who thinks your favorite band sucks. It doesn't matter what band it is, in his mind if more than 100 people like it, it's commercial, it's a sellout, and it sucks. He's defined his level of acceptability so narrowly that he's backed himself into a corner - he's really into Vietnamese pop at the moment, probably because it's something that nobody in this country's ever heard of.

Massarotti sounds like my friend - he likes something, but then the minute that the something he likes pokes its head over the sea of regulars, and starts to draw in the more casual fan, he turns on it. It's pathetic.

beth

hey, fever pitch is a totally different thing. :-)

but yeah. on the one hand, i can understand why someone who wants to gush at you about all they know about the red sox when they know relatively nothing could be annoying. but i'd sound the same way talking to, say, peter gammons. it's all relative.

and the "your favorite band sucks" thing? that's called hyperaggressive taste in music the better to cover up the fact that the perpetrator has NO musical taste whatsoever. music is about MUSIC, how it SOUNDS, not who likes it. i could never understand that--why does "Country Feedback" or "Smells Like Teen Spirit" or "Closer" sound different when 50 million people like it? i understand that context is important in appreciating any art, but that whole phenomenon is just ridiculous to me.

Mike Daly

The bottom line is Massarotti is right - the Pinkhat fans are an insult to the real fanbase of the Red Sox. The Pinkhats routinely interfere with the real fans' ability to watch the game with their incessant chatter (never about the game or the team), constant moving about, and utter ignorance of the game. They buy up the tickets and don't watch the game.

Why shouldn't people be angered at the Pinkhats?

Iain

If, by 'Pinkhats', we are talking about all those people who go to the game but have no interest in what is going on on the field, then I fully agree - I would rather see those tickets in the hands of fans who are genuinely interested.

What I do object to, like you, Beth, are phrases like "And so now, somewhat sadly, the Red Sox have gone global. They do not belong to just us anymore". Seriously - WTF is that supposed to mean? Who the fuck is this 'us'? The Red Sox 'belong' to those wo love the Red Sox, period.

I know you already cited me, Beth, but I'd like to add my own 2 cents' worth here. Who the fuck is Massarotti to decide who belongs to Red Sox Nation and who doesn't, anyway? In his sensationalistic little world, I could well be the ultimate bandwagon jumper - interested in the Sox in '03, fully on board in '04. I don't have a pink hat, but still, all my Red Sox gear looks brand new because it is brand new. But does the fact that I'm a newbie, that I don't have 20, 30 or 50 years of suffering behind me, make me any less of a fan? If you want to start talking figures, I'd just like Massarotti to come down a minute from that ivory tower they call the pressbox and tell me when the last time was that he got up at 1am on three consecutive (work) days to watch the Sox. When was the last time he blew a month's salary to fly 4,000 miles across the Atlantic to see 4 measly games at the beginning of May? What's that, Tony - you weren't talking about me? Well, yes you were. With your ridiculous generalisations you lumped all of us newbies who haven't yet earned our stripes - according to your system of values - in with the Pinkhats, for whom the Red Sox are nothing more than a fashion accessory, the fad du jour.

I fuckin' love this team (I'm not even going to say "in an unambiguous, heterosexual man-love sense"), and I'm insulted to read this kind of crap. Nobody is born a fully-fledged Red Sox fan - all of us are newbies at some point. You nailed it, Beth: They're how new generations come to experience Sox love, and if that love is real, whether you caught on to the "global fad" or are a die-hard from the days of Teddy Ballgame, it can't be painted with such a broad brush, and it doesn't deserve such condescension and disrespect.

Massarotti had better be careful - if I ever get hold of the steering wheel of the bandwagon, I'm gonna run the sorry fucker over...

The Couch Potato

I just want to point out the irony of the 5 "diehard, lifelong fans" pictured on the front page. I'd wager my entire last paycheck that they're all younger than I am. By definition, then, they're newbies to me.

There's a lot of nostalgia, it seems, for the "good ol' days" at Fenway Park but it begs one question: Would you rather deal with a brainless nitwit armed with modern technology or some know-nothing, putrid-drunk bleacher creature spewing obscenities and vomiting down the back of your spanking-new Varitek jersey? A 5 oz. cellphone can be thrown a lot farther than a wildly resisting public inebriate.

Peter Mark

"I fuckin' love this team (I'm not even going to say "in an unambiguous, heterosexual man-love sense"), and I'm insulted to read this kind of crap."
Iain, and Beth, I so totally agree with you. This was a tabloid piece of the worst kind. And Iain, if you do accidently bump something or someone with your car, I'll be there to clean up the mess. You just flee for your life. SOX LOVE.

Boston Fan in Michigan

There is a marked difference between a 'newbie' fan who actually loves the team and the game and just has stuff to learn still, and a 'newbie' fan who I would agree with the folks above about and call a Pinkhatter. The former doesn't waste space in the stands. The latter goes to games because they're rich enough or know the right people and aren't interested for more than 10 minutes at a time in what's going on on the field.

But just because someone picked up the Sox this year doesn't mean they aren't a good fan. Just off the top of my head I can think of two or three people who picked up the Sox real recently, and who are 'better fans', in the sense that they're more actively interested and informed, than some vaguely indifferent lifelong fans.

The moral of the story is, Tony Massarotti is an idiot. But we already kinda knew that. So the moral of the story is, I like cheese.

Katie

"In his sensationalistic little world, I could well be the ultimate bandwagon jumper - interested in the Sox in '03, fully on board in '04. I don't have a pink hat, but still, all my Red Sox gear looks brand new because it is brand new. But does the fact that I'm a newbie, that I don't have 20, 30 or 50 years of suffering behind me, make me any less of a fan?"


basically that's me too but I'd also be looked at as a Pinkhatter (even thoguh i don't like pink) because I'm a teenager and I'm a girl and it kinda pisses me off

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